Wisdom of the Crowd ???

Wisdom of the Crowd ???

  
It's still in Beta ...
Is it still used as backlog for newer versions ?
Who's is monitoring it ?
Is anybodyt still using it ?
Joop,

Maybe Davide has a different opion about this, since the one of Miguel was clear last year: WotC topic.

Kind regards,
Evert
Hi guys,

How timely! I was just preparing the post about the upcoming launch of the new community website. :)

Joop Stringer wrote:
It's still in Beta ...
Is it still used as backlog for newer versions ?
Who's is monitoring it ?
Is anybodyt still using it ?
 
It will no longer be in Beta (as in display Beta anywhere).

Here at OutSystems, everyone believes Wisdom of the Crowds is very valuable, being a great way to capture the community's creativity and innovation!
However, although we are hearing, we will clarify the messaging as there will be no strong commitment to implement ideas. We'll change the focus to idea sharing and have open discussions about them: Tell your story, spread the word about your ideas to the community, browse ideas to find what other are thinking, discover exciting projects, contribute to/ refine others' ideas and connect with other users.

The community "still" uses it  and with some improvements* it will become alive again. 

Additionally, in the upcoming release of the Community Site, Wisdom of Crowds will be renamed to Ideas and receive an awesome new look and UX.

*We will improve Ideas on later releases by removing the existing positive feedback loops from its homepage - since it currently:
  • hides away all of the new and fresh ideas;
  • keeps the same ideas on top (“Test an Action like Test query" is way past its prime) and;
  • makes it look as if nothing is going on (which is NOT the case).
I believe that is THE problem we need addressing so that we can tap into our shared Wisdom and get good ideas to shine.

Thanks for the honest feedback!

Cheers,
Davide
Davide Marquês wrote:
Hi guys,

How timely! I was just preparing the post about the upcoming launch of the new community website. :)

 
It will no longer be in Beta (as in display Beta anywhere).

Here at OutSystems, everyone believes Wisdom of the Crowds is very valuable, being a great way to capture the community's creativity and innovation!
However, although we are hearing, we will clarify the messaging as there will be no strong commitment to implement ideas. We'll change the focus to idea sharing and have open discussions about them: Tell your story, spread the word about your ideas to the community, browse ideas to find what other are thinking, discover exciting projects, contribute to/ refine others' ideas and connect with other users.

The community "still" uses it  and with some improvements* it will become alive again. 

Additionally, in the upcoming release of the Community Site, Wisdom of Crowds will be renamed to Ideas and receive an awesome new look and UX.

*We will improve Ideas on later releases by removing the existing positive feedback loops from its homepage - since it currently:
  • hides away all of the new and fresh ideas;
  • keeps the same ideas on top (“Test an Action like Test query" is way past its prime) and;
  • makes it look as if nothing is going on (which is NOT the case).
I believe that is THE problem we need addressing so that we can tap into our shared Wisdom and get good ideas to shine.

Thanks for the honest feedback!

Cheers,
Davide
 
 Hi Davide,

This are very good news.. :)
I always saw in the Wisdom of the Crowd a great tool to get the real needs of the developers who work with the Agile Platform and a great way to get new and useful features..
Do we have a date for the
new community website lauching?
Nice work and keep on going, Davide...

Cheers,
Gonçalo Martins

I think that a very real concern from many in the community, is that there was not clear feedback from OutSystems on the suggestions. Since there is only a big release once a year, unless we see a big release with popular ideas (like the placeholders in version 6), it is very easy to feel like suggestions are not being heard. I love to brag to others about how OutSystems have WotC and how it shapes the development of the system, but unless you submit a lot of items, it is not likely that any of them receive a comment from OutSystems or get implemented. That makes WotC feel like a waste of time to many people, especially when there are some extremely popular and EXCELLENT ideas in there that have not been addressed by OutSystems at all, or implemented in the product.

J.Ja
All of us have put a lot of ideas in it which could benefit the tool immensly, heck, there are even ideas by Outsystems people :)
yet you are saying you cannot commit to those ideas which is quite frankly a little bit strange.
what *IS* the point of WotC then?
Ofcourse, if you should address all those ideas you never get a new version on the roadmap for ages.

A small suggestion:

Why isn't it possible to have Outsystems choose 25(*) ideas from the top 100(*) best voted ideas. Those 25 ideas are possible to be implemented by Outsystems and they CAN commit themself to it.
Then a poll will commence for us where we can vote the priority of those 25 ideas, so which one will be implemented first etc.
I see a lot of advantages on both sides (the disadvantages I will not see on purpose :) )

- Outsystems still has control of what should/could be implemented without a big impact on their own roadmap
- The crowd has got a feeling the ideas are being looked at
- We can have a say which ones will be implemented first
- WotC does get a meaningfull
- Everybody wins.



(*) I picked some numbers randomly, ofcourse you can choose 50 out of 250 where the top 25 will be implemented or something like that...


Hi everyone,

We understand your comments. It’s frustrating to watch top voted ideas not being implemented. We’ve not been giving you feedback regarding your submitted ideas (mostly because we release on an anual basis, and only on that "big" launch do we make it public. But we are surely monitoring and trying to understand how each one fits into our long term initiatives.

Wisdom of the Crowds is full of awesome content and has always been a strategic initiative for us. It allows our community of developers to have a centralized place to discuss ideas that would otherwise be scattered around the forums, in an unmanegeable way. We've been discussing how the WotC can best serve its purpose of a live brainstorm resource, without generating the frustration that at times it generates.

We need to clarify that we are listening, and your contributions are not in vain, but there will be no strong commitment to implement ideas. WotC is one of many inputs for determining the future direction of the Agile Platform, along with some other important factors such as market trends and standards, direct customer feedback, and ultimately our strategic vision.

In all our features’ development we look at it for ideas we believe the community would love to see implemented, and when aligned with our roadmap, we take them right inside our development process as use cases that should be considered. This lead us to actually deliver 30+ ideas in version 6.0, 20+ ideas in 7.0 and have a few more under our radar for 8.0.

In summary, by no means have we forgotten Wisdom of the Crowds. We’re aiming to revive it and make it a place for people to brainstorm, not only on Agile Platform capabilities, but mostly on ideas that would really change the way you deliver custom software, and how those ideas could make such a big difference in the software you deliver, maintain and operate. We want it to be a place for inovation, a place where you discuss and collaborate around your problems and discover and contribute to the ideas of others. And I can assure you... we'll be there, listening!

 

The WOTC has grown way too big with community input.
This way good idea's aren't grouped together and aren't structured causing duplicate requests to appear.
In a structured method you could look for good idea's and like them; making them more important and
showing subject relevant to you.

It would be good to split this WOTC up into separate sections e.g.:
Platform Server (Tool)
- Java specific
- .NET specific

Service Studio (Tool)
- Java specific
- .NET specific
- General GUI
- Functions
- Rich Widgets
- Extensions

Integration Studio (Tool)
- Java specific
- .NET specific

Forge (Made for or by the tool)
- Interconnectivity
- GUI Ajax / jQuery Widgets
- Algorithms
- Windows
- Linux
- Networking
It's all well and good to be strategic from release to release to drum up new business, but one thing is certain, if you do not make a commitment to solving some of the issues in WOC, it will die. Why make suggestions if no one is going to do anything about them? You also need to take care of the developers using the product. There are many great things in the product, and there are some very irritating things (many of which directly conflict with being agile) in the product. Reviewing the most liked items in WOC will show you which ones they are.